Wanna buy staff, need some advice

topic posted Mon, December 3, 2007 - 6:36 PM by  David
I wanna learn to spin a staff to work up to fire staff. I need some advice on buying my first staff. Right now I'm wanting something that's not too expensive and will take the banging and dropping of a newbie who's going to be learning the basics and later working on learning contact staff. I'm 6'2" and not sure if I should buy a shorter staff or a longer one or where the buy one in the US. Any advice would be great!
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David
North Carolina
  • Re: Wanna buy staff, need some advice

    Tue, December 11, 2007 - 12:05 PM
    Okay, there's a simple rule of physics that works out like this: solid staves are better than tricky ones. Beginner staves should be solid, not breakdown, to help resist the stress. Larger is better than smaller diameter for strength (usually, but don't go crazy here). Big wicks and multiple wicks will draw the rotational force outwards and make the staff "want" to spin, but it will also make it hard to turn and your transitions will suffer a bit. Small light twitchy staves turn a lot easier and let you know where you need to work on your form, but likewise tend to show your shortcomings when you're performing.

    Best solution: two staves, both solid. One light and twitchy to learn the basics and check on your status, the other a heavy wick model for strength building and performance. Get the light one first.
    • Re: Wanna buy staff, need some advice

      Tue, December 11, 2007 - 3:06 PM
      what's twitchy?
      • Re: Wanna buy staff, need some advice

        Tue, December 11, 2007 - 3:22 PM
        Hmmm, yeah, that's kinda my personal term.

        Okay, let's go with more common objects:
        Golf club - held at the handle, a club is "end weighted" and less 'twitchy' than say a broom stick. It 'likes' to spin in flat planes and doesn't change directions easily once it's moving ... like a gyroscope. The up side is that slight movement problems in your swing are erased (making it good for golfing).

        Broom stick - held at one end, the entire length is the same weight making it "even weighted". With the perceived center of gravity closer to the hand (and less weight overall to manipulate) the broomstick is easier to get spinning fast, and changes direction with the slightest twitch of the hand (ie "twitchy"). The advantage is that the users can practice anything from a flat spin to rapid direction changes without undo stress of the muscles and joints.

        Think of a yard stick. If you hold it on the end with numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 then the perceived center of gravity of the yardstick is in the middle of the stick, or #18. If you attach a weight at the #36 end that's the same weight as the entire rest of the yard stick, then the perceived center of gravity moves out to 34 or 35. In other words, not only is the stick heavier, but it feels longer too. Same thing for staff. Small wicks and light weight feel shorter and are easier to use, but are also easier to make mistakes with. Every little problem with your spin shows up readily. Not particularly good for performing, but really good for learning.
        • Re: Wanna buy staff, need some advice

          Tue, December 11, 2007 - 7:28 PM
          ah ok I get it. So right now I have a 5' hollow metal pipe, that's heavy and doesn't like to move off track, but it's easy to get it moving and stay moving in one direction. Now with that I bought a 3-3 1/2' wood dowel that I'll end up cutting and using as an anchor for the screws to hold to when I get wicks, that's really light weight, not as easy to keep going once it's started, but easy to move in a different direction. So idealy, I could use the shorter, lighter dowel to practice and perfect, then whent he time comes use the heavier?
          • Re: Wanna buy staff, need some advice

            Tue, December 11, 2007 - 7:33 PM
            Yup, hat's the idea. You could also trade off workouts...
            Use the heavy one to build muscle and build muscle memory on planes (without a lot of direction changes)
            Use the light one to learn new moves, transitions, and to check your progress on the movies you can do with the heavier one.

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